We walked heal toe and couldnt look up out of line or we would loose points which ultimately made you a prisoner longer. I think it was Randy and his brother who had us do grass drills in the rain, running around the basketball court until some kids fell on the ground from being exhausted. The mayflies, midges, caddis, terrestrials, and other aquatic insects are richly abundant in creeks clear waters, and the healthy riparian zone abounds with birds and wildlife. Fuck every parent that ever sent their kids to this school. I came to know Steve as a sick man himself. I think it was some off brand. I was sent away because I was a less than desirable child to have in your home. One of the lady guides finally sighed ,For goodness sake! Got bored and checked out SPL on GoogleEarth. I was there. Straight shooter and solid guy. I was transported to Distant Drums in Nephi, UT and spent about 6 weeks there. Unbelievable! The Dillon airport has a 6,500 foot runway that accommodates private airplanes, making private travel to and from the ranch simple and convenient. They look like the reason god gave us flame thrower s lol lets toss some salad. I wouldnt believe it if I hadnt seen it with my own eyes. The summer brings the terrestrial season, and the trout are always more than willing to come up for a meal. Im sure a couple men still think of me with enmity as I do for those who were above me. The Pullans were alsoinvolvedin Camas Ranch, an apparent attempt to remake a portion of the facility into an 18+ program, which failed. The more eyes on this the more this facility will have a spotlight on them. I thought this was a school? I will ask him. Was one of the only black kids there. John was my best friend there and he was a cool guy from N.Carolina. I dont know how Chaffin and his brother sleep at night. You fuckers were the worst! Or came from hell. 18 was far away for her, her parents had been brain washed by then and we had both dropped from level 4 to 0000 black cloud status. She looked at me and she looked away. I was the one the whole molestation case was about. I knew the program inside and out and know it was full of lies. Did my time in tbe marines and served my country in afgan and irq. anyone who says that shit didnt suck is a lyin son of a bitch. I saw her at the desk and heard the door auto lock behind me and two staff members grabbed me. Like practically all of you I was sent to Spring Creek Lodge when I was very young, during an already crucially, incredibly horrific time in my life. Spring Creek Campground and Trout Ranch 8.2 167 Reviews Add a Review Add Photos Owner Managed Page Questions? But after they saw that he and I wwerent causing iasues, they let us interact and hang out at free time which is when most jumpings occured. There are two guys there, large stature and have radios in there hands. During this time we were kept so far from civilization that the only hope for survival was to stay with the group. I have to say is Staff that Shit, I was in Orange County boy from California, you do the math, as a say in the program I hate myself Now people are doing the seminars out here, I heard that Rapper Earl sweatshirt went to the Samoa Program, crazy!! Koch family unloads Montana ranch to Rupert Murdoch for $200M. The twins gave me level 3 just so i could go to a seminar and see my mom in hopes that it would calm me down but it only made things worse.. I am not a Bible-beater, Mormon, Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, or fanatic. They saved them all in there files on polaroids. I am so sorry for everyone who was littetaly kept prisoner i sincerelyhope my mother was not the cause of some of these horrible ordeals. WWASP Survivors is run by a dedicated group of concerned alumni of WWASP-affiliated programs. I am glad that Spring Creek closed. I have struggled very much with depression, trauma, and I just recently started therapy for a lot of things and so much of it that I have tried to forget about is coming back little by little and Im 31. I cant say i didnt learn anything from the academy, and there are definitely a few individuals i met there that i will never forget, but that school was nothing more than a money trap for parents having difficulties understanding there teenagers, using kids to profit hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. cason.trent@yahoo.com, For anyone trying to get their HS transcripts I have a contact! Listing provided by TMLS. I cant believe I have to write on this blog to get help in locating my high school transcripts but here I am : ( Im a nurse now and back in college to advance my career. Propped the magnetic door locks they had, broke the door wide open & ran for my life. Unfortunately that brought about a lot of abuse at the hands of the staff. And its great to see familiar names! Thats it, Im sick of breathing now. Horror stories from the incoming junior staff from Samoaone guy said they locked him a trunk and floated him at sea, then threw rocks at the trunk while he was inside of it. You would go sleep on a piece of plywood with a staff member in front of the door. i was only there for 3 months because I was kicked out. And I wished they would of just let me get through that part of my life whether I would of gotten arrested and had to do some jail time. Who the hell do you think you are????? My name is danny I was the big guy that got sent there after military school. At its peak it housed over 500 students. This included the confiscation of my black and purple polka dot underwear. I simply went looking for updates on Spring Creek and was shocked to find this. We planned it last second coming back from eating and we said right before we go back in this building were going to take off for the mountain. I was gonna go back this year for closure of some sort. He then went on to be the Director for Majestic Ranch, now operating as Old West Academy, where children as young as 7, and perhaps younger, were detained, abused, and used as forced labor. As soon as my parents came up for one of the seminars, they were like I think even your little rep person Ms Kathy is spun out of her mind. 3,190 +/- Deeded Acres. For pricing on lodging packages visit each individual package for rates, inclusions and exclusions. I had only ditched school a couple times and got into a few fights at school for kids picking on me and when i was sent there i learned so many things its like i couldnt wait to go home and become a cool kid and do all the things i heard in stories told by 15 to 18 year olds. How did she get away from you so many times? i cant find a some others tho, so if you remember me, Janna Bottsford, hit me up on FB. I try getting out, then I wake up. Dont punish yourself brother. Weird how the memories pop back in the way they do. I had arrived at Brightway! Im really trying to find a Trauma and PTSD therapist right now possibly a psych who is already educated on Spring Creek / WWASP. To all the staff and ppl who ran that facility, if I find anyone of you I will torture and kill you slow for what you have done to my head. I was a fairly good kid and my parents were rich and didnt want to deal with a teen. One would think anyone would understand the backlash of that move, Mike was awesome, and from what I know he was not there at the end I believe he had moved onbut I graduated in 2001 and am nor fully sure. It was a fast and easy program for those that wanted to work it.. I feel like the description of half military school half cult is accurate. The area is rich in sporting traditions, offering some of the best fly fishing, upland bird hunting and waterfowl hunting in the country. Most who praise these places are shills who profited off of it. Im john. Im guessing Im way better off. The nearest commercial airport is in the town of Butte, which is within a 1-hour drive from the ranch. I did not quit because then I couldnt help anyone if I wasnt there. Please contact me at howiseetheworldblog@gmail.com I couldnt speak of it in detail until a few years ago. And where was this spring creek at anyways?! You guys were nuts haha, so was I. It was my first or second week there. I came out worse then when I went in. When our parents did come into town, the staff put on quite a good show and meal. I also forgive my daughter for her choices/actions that resulted in her stay at Spring Creek. Pretty much just to get me out of her hair so she could drink and party honestly. It was shortly after this in 2006 that Spring Creek Lodge released a statement attempting to distance themselves from the reputation of WWASP. Mariam, I am so sorry to hear about kareem! The counselor I was manated to see one time because I was new at the time told me about crazy mushroom picking he did with his girlfriend and started touching my legs and shit. Dont remember fight with dignity. This wasnt a law? I could have done this as my family married into the Lichfield mafia in Utah I no longer speak to them. That was the highlight of my day.meanwhile all of this is heel to toe no talking ECT ECT. I dont know what went on in Samoa, but I know at Spring Creek he was considered one of the less sadistic members of the junior staff and didnt let them brain wash him completely which is quite a fete. I graduated the program a level 6 and was trainer of the boys off site house. Funny name to give considering that serenity was the farthest thing from describing this place. Anyone who remembers me please reach out. Picturesque fly fishing properties can be found on rivers like the Big Hole, Beaverhead, Yellowstone, Smith, Jefferson, Madison, Gallatin and many other prolific, native trout fisheries, while the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem provides the backdrop to Montana horse and cattle ranches. Reading about Josh Lambert is shocking. Why do all Program Staff and Program Robots use the same Weird Capitalization Scheme? Highway 200 is a backdoor to Seattle and a drug corridor and lots of creeps run that strip because its off the beaten path of I90, less patrolled. Resting in the foothills of the Big Belt Mountains & ranging above Canyon Ferry Lake, the Spring Creek Elk Ranch is a premier Montana hunting & recreational ranch. I remember you John! I remember Natalie Carson making each girl feel as pretty as her. I played the good boy for a while because I really wasnt the type to like trouble. I said 2 because I cant get through focus seminar he said youre a level 3 all star now. They had just opened Spring Creek Lodge in Montana. It definitely messed with me in a big way. My ass is still sore. With over 3 miles of productive spring creeks, two fishing ponds and many other wetland sloughs onsite, the outdoor opportunities are endless. Kids got raped, beaten, thrown in the hobbit constantly with a large male staff always handy to kick their ass and ensure that they stayed on silence. I am wondering if anyone knew my brother, Kareem Rahman. He is worse off now than he EVER was going in. God what a miserable time. I was 15. I stayed for 1 year. Bamandah@gmail.com. But nobody seemed to raise an eyebrow or voice concern that locking young teens in a barred cell in a shack for days, and weeks at a time. If you just have a day or two to spare, day trips are a great way to experience Montana's legendary fisheries. Talked a night staff that was in college and obviously had no friends, to bring me chew and cigarettes by the carton. He was in a program in Idaho. I have no doubt that if he had not been subjected to the types of violence we all experienced in the programs, he wouldnt be in his current predicament. I remember the seminars we had to go to. To anyone who would like to reconnect with me or even just have another Spring Creek friend.Im at pressurecooker19@hotmail.com. I remember one time looking up at the people with me and our face masks all had beards of frost hanging off our faces where our breath had frozen there. I repressed memories about my transport and time at SCL for years. It didnt start feeling like a cult till I went to my first seminar where you couldnt pass unless you forced yourself to cry. Exceptional elk hunting & resident elk herd consisting of hundreds of elk offering hunters both archery & rifle opportunities. Only difference is my parents brought me and lied convincing me it was just a boarding school where I could easier focus on my education without the distractions that gangs and drugs were causing at the time. I swung my truck around and headed east toward Noxon to get in front of her. I could write a book about this and there are many many crazy situations that were just sick in the head that I could tell you about. I had already downloaded the Kindle version from our local public librarys website and had started reading it. I was there in 97/98 in the legend family and it also screwed my life up. To this day Im shocked I wasnt tackled after shouting that! I awoke to one fondling and kissing me in the middle of the night. Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. He was my bunk mate when I first went to courage upstairs in Grizzly. The only question I got an answer too was what happens to Brandy now? I met someone at physical therapy one day and I over heard him say I hate myself I asked him why he said it and he said he was sent to a horrible program where they tell you and make you believe that you hate yourself. He was there for 10 months 1996-1997. We considered it warm if it got above 10 degrees. I wonder whatever happened to Atfield? So this isnt my real name. Ill just say this. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. I still have nightmares about this place, and it has been 7 years since I have graduated from this place. Remarks: Canyon Ferry Reservoir Views, Baldy Mountain Views and year round . I kept it on me at all times. They made us build fort style fences around the staff cabins and lay rock gravel pits. 7 weeks later after Mike I got sent to fn Cascade school! Memoir: Thompson Falls Montana I lived life through my headphones and skateboard. I did was in this whole new place with a few people I knew and a ton of people I didnt and I had to be an upper level and consequence people and play the game of accountability and all that. it was so cool that so many people participated, even though im sure you all got in trouble :]]. Damn that was a long ass run through a dark ass forest Didnt make it down the hill until sun started coming up. The futility of compliance with a nonsensical, arbitrary set of rules where years of confinement are worth more than good behavior led to daydreams or what they refer to as run plans. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. A warm dry mediterranean climate prevails over the forest. And get this those same three friends that were doing all those same things I was doing are doing 10 times better in life that I am doing today. Was in unity during 2005. i understand that it must be hard to watch the one u love suffer. Many avid anglers, however, enjoy bringing their own gear. Ithink I remember you felecia. I spent the majority of my time in the intervention room. By the sounds of, around the same time. http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/. There I was to spend the next year and a half. We are the only 2 people to successfully escape from spring creek or Camas ranch. Public humiliation and reliving trauma seemed to be their weapon in manipulation. We were denied simple foods and forced to build snares to catch rodents for food. Parents always care and sometimes care too much, that will never change. For those of you relatively fresh out, young and confused, dont try to rationalize what happened there because you never will. like the old CAT TWOs and stuff? He was an ex heroin addict with tattoos all over his body. I was also in Serenitys Family tho I was there in 1999. Armstrong Spring Creek is a world class spring creek and a mecca for catch and release fly fishing in Montana. Until I got stampeded by junior staff. I used to watch Cameron and Chaffen walk around there as if they were kings of the facility. After choosing out of PC3- I was pulled four months later (age 15-almost 16). It was 1996. This girl got up and told us all while crying that her step father was raping her for a long time and she thinks her little sister too and she told her mom but her mom didnt want to hear it and she arrived at the school shortly after. Kids trying to kill themselves left and right. I got put in exile and literally had to sleep in the woods where everyone could see me but not talk to me I froze my ass off. Lot of names I cant remember, but can see their faces. I was in there from 2002-2004, also in Serenity. I was in Wisdom right when i got there in July 1998, I soon transfered to Courage Family due to a letter I wrote home. Stay in comfort while fishing the best. I have bad memories and that place took a lot of my good qualities and I didnt leave with them. The spring creek program was a joke for sure but I say there are some people and effects we would not have known if it werent for that horrific experience. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. Tom, we couldnt look at girls. And for that I am accountable. Water is abundant on the ranch with potential to irrigate approximately 500 acres, and numerous springs, creeks and . WINTER FUCKING IN MONTANA! I think I met you in a seminar where they made us stick stickers on boys and made us think about all the times the opposite sex screwed us over? You maam need to do two things: first you need to look up the difference between your and youre and allowed vs. aloud while youre at it (yes I just called you an idiot). The seminars were really the only truly ugly thing about the place. Hell is hot and Thompson Falls was coldyet they were hard to tell apart at times. Put me in an insane asylum for two weeks while waiting to be taken to Jamaica where I found out what hell truly was. Tom, you had to be one of those stick in the ass junior staff. That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. The worst for me was the emotional abuse. Even if we accepted your premise, the staff at these programs never received the kind of training necessary to properly make any kind of decisions on restraint of any kind (as evidenced by the bodyslamming, which is definitely NOT a medically-approved form of intervention) nor to offer any sort of treatment at all, which is probably why they didnt offer any in actuality. Fucking disgusting. I was going to write on hear about my horrible experience here but it looks like everyone else hit it right on the head. Instead of standing in formation, Id sit down and start a conversation considering I stopped caring in the least about points. FOCUS was my favorite does anyone remember the lifeboat process holy fuck! Its really disheartening to hear about the shared hopelessness we all felt. More Home About Photos Reviews Follow About See all 101 Nelsons Spring Creek Rd Livingston, MT 59047 1,189 people like this 1,426 people follow this 488 people checked in here http://nelsonsspringcreek.com/ It is now 2013 and I have been incarcerated in federal prison since early 2007, ironically for felony possession of a fire arm. After reading all this, I dont want to hear any of Mr. i was looking for ashley in particular, who was there at the same time, in a different family and was kicked out and sent to Idaho with me. Im sorry but I cant place you. There is no experience more thrilling than catching big, wild fish in a solitary setting. This ranch is defined by its creeks and water features, boasting over 3 miles of improved, well-managed spring creeks with ponds and sloughs. If anyone remembers Kyle Thompson please get In touch with me thompsondsm92@gmail.com. With an extensive variety of stream habitats, these waters present challenges worthy of the most dedicated trout anglers. that is the full truth and whole truth about my 2 escape attempts within my 2 months I was there. 3 kids, work in IT, got a degree from OU and lived in Denver for a bit. It also earned me a one way ticket out of that hell hole. I have to say I got lucky with family fathers though.msrk clyde and gunner were cool. thanks for your help. I spent most of my time I the Hobbit and did not pass level there my parents were brain washed,and my family turned against me I have deep anger issues from this place aam glad it is shut down. Hey at least big sky had its own washer n dryer lol I hated the box! I got there at 16 and learned very fast i was going to ride out at level 1 until I turned 18 and just walk down the road. He says in his book that he worked there for 10 years. Message me jamie_wilson_@msn.com. I loved working with the students and trying to help them work through their problems and difficult situations. I was there in 2003. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program. Itll always be behind you sir, leave it back there for the occasional kicking when it dares to interrupt your sleep. I am writing this from a prison cell and it is being submitted on my behalf by another party who told me about this site. I was at Spring Creek Lodge Academy from March 2001 till May 2003. Its obviously worked out well for you and you deserve every ounce of success and happiness you get in life. Jake was the guy that told me: uh you wont make it if you run unless you want to hide under a truck for six months. I got threw in the habit in winter and was left to die. Shes a good kid but lies a LOT and hasnt made passing grades for years, so we are trying help her make better choices for herself and improve her situation, opening doors for her future. And SO confident and funny, where all the rest of us were terrified and broken down. No cooking inside. Hugged, laughed and cried. I feel for anyone who had to experience that place. I think there should be better ways with dealing with teen behavior. Creek Wilderness Camp in the spring of 1989 for two months. We had to boil water to even brush our teeth at times. Needless to say it struck me as odd. Their model was brainwashing. What the hell is going on up there? After about a year I got tired of not being able to have salt on my nasty eggs. For the firat few weeks, he and I werenteven allowed to make eye contact. What was Karleys last name? Choose from Montana's most comprehensive selection of fly fishing trips. Also, if you wouldnt mind posting this comment on the Youth Foundation page, more parents would be able to read it before they considered sending their kids to youth foundation success academy. I secretly carried my stepdads handgun to school every day and kept to myself.
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