Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. Got it (which is why Keller finds it in the hole at the end). Great minds. Loki saw Anna wearing the whistle at the hospital so he asked Grace if she found it, but Grace told him that Anna kept insisting that Joy helped her finding the whistle before they were kidnapped but Grace thought she was just confused so she bought her a new one. How do we make sense of the bad that happens in the world? 9 talking about this. Even with her husband gone, Holly doesn't stop and abducts Joy Birch and Anna Dover. I thought, must be good. Prisoners is even more interesting after your explanation. Theyre prisoners, right? Which led to Kellers survival mindset. Something like that. High intelligenceGunmanship He equally needs the cold and frosty weather because hes shot and maybe this will keep him alive a little longer (dont know, I am not a doctor) or keep the drug from effectively knocking him out. Excellent analysis! So right there in the last names of the two main families, we see more religious references. Why didnt Loki look into it more? Her back was turned to him. They may walk away. Derrick Chambers, Superintendent. Other questions. Tom Brokaw Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! Weve talked about Graces name. . In this way, the movie itself becomes a bit of a prison, a kind of labyrinth we can lose ourselves in. Glad you liked the movie! Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. Holly and her husband, who used to be fundamentalist believers, might have practised snake-handling as part of their faith and would have kept snakes for that purpose. If someone would have put 2 and 2 together they could have solved it way sooner. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Thanks for your reply, Chris! At their first encounter, in the parking lot of the police station, Alex toys with Keller, much like he did the dog, by saying, They didnt cry until I left them. He knew what he was doing. Lights: Buildings usually have power broken into sections. Midway through Prisoners were introduced to the concept of the maze. What is the connection between the snakes and girls clothes as well as the gaze in the boxes of the home of Taylor. Occupation | Were purposefully left to figure it out on our own. In addition to her legislative duties, Jones works as the Business Manager for Renz Law LLC. This item: Captives of Liberty: Prisoners of War and the Politics of Vengeance in the American Revolution (Early American Studies) by T. Cole Jones Hardcover $33.69 Running from Bondage: Enslaved Women and Their Remarkable Fight for Freedom in Revolutionary America by Karen Cook Bell Hardcover $15.80 Review When Keller left the hospital, he went to Hollys house. I wanted to just add one thing! Ill watch again with a fresh mind. AuntMrs. How fitting we have a character named Grace, a word typically associated with Gods favor. People need people and people need grace. Hi Chris, thank you. You did an amazing job! Is it the content of the game? I mean, maybe I did in terms of Keller and Jesus lol. To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. Buddy Holly was a singer songwriter from Lubbock Texas who died after a short 18 month career. Brilliant analysis. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. Yeah, Regrading Alex, I guess theres still a lot thats up in the air. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. I just finished my second viewing, I saw it a long time ago. I think the layman tends to miss out on the motifs but grasps the plot. The lights in the derelict apartment apparently dont work but plug-in job lights do, OK. Why does no one ever check a door handle before breaking it down or crawling through a window? What happened to Alex after Loki found him? Our inmate population consists of people awaiting trial for violating federal laws or those who have already been convicted of committing a federal crime. Some people will choose the hopeful outlook that being away from Holly means he has a chance at a decent future. But then you look at the structure of Prisoners, how it tells its story, how it reveals information, theres an understanding that the maze stuff wasnt just to spice up the thrills (as some people have complained). I think we see 4-5 then the father. Near the end of the movie, Holly Jones is explaining that Alex was the first boy they took after their son died, and that his name hadnt been Alex that it had been Jimmy. That would explain why Loki was driving so recklessly to the hospital. 1409 Greenbrier Street Charleston, WV 25311 (304) 558-2036 Contact Us | Site Map | Staff Directory Holly Jones Community Partnership & Outreach Coordinator at North Carolina Department of Justice Asheville, North Carolina, United States 3K followers 500+ connections Join to connect North. Nocturnal Animals, through cross-cutting, makes it clear theres a connection between what happens in the book and what happened in the relationship with Gyllenhaal. My question is who is the person that Joy sees in her flashback? But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. The Birches certainly seemed far more resilient than the Dovers, who were breaking in different ways. And part of Taylors thing is recreating the maze. We see how he buries the mannequin in his yard. Everyone describes Alex as pretty internal and passive, but I wonder if (in his own traumatized and child-like way) he is trying to break out of the maze! Yeah, holding back the last part of the prayer is a huge moment. Holly and her husband based their abductions off of the book. What didnt make sense to me was that the parents didnt seem to remember what the girls were wearing at the time of the abduction. In a sense, this is what Holly Jones and her husband carries on tooby killing children. (written by) Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jhann Jhannsson Cinematography by Roger Deakins . Spiritual imprisonment: Holly and her husband found it impossible to move beyond their belief God had wronged them. 69K views 2 years ago In Pennsylvania, Keller Dover, his wife Grace, son Ralph, and daughter Anna celebrate Thanksgiving with their friends Franklin and Nancy Birch, and their daughters Eliza and. The Bob Taylor detail was one I didnt include in why response. Hi Chris This technique is more common in artsy projects than it is mainstream ones. Hi Lory! To lose a child to a violent death is an unimaginable horror, but it's a horror . Dover seemed like a portmanteau of dove (peace) and lover. Now these parents have a son that kidnaps/molests/drugs/kills little kids. I guess the priest didnt report because it was a confession and he felt unable to tell authorities about it? 127 South Second Street 919-989-5040 . The final song on the album is called Duckworth. Hi, Chirs. Is the father a sex offender himself? Its a silly, basic example but the opening of The Lion King is the rising sun. Finally, when Lokis at Hollys house, suspicious because he thinks Keller might be there and might have done something awful, he sees the picture in the bedroom. When he discovers the door to the basement behind the fridge, there is no staircase (the hole under the car also has no ladder) yet he quickly drops down to investigate and finds the body, 3. So it could be something like that. Just that Alex went to see his old house, which is near the Birchs house. I think your quote from Villeneuve about the trees as silent witnesses supports this. Keller having Alex captive. I dont think theres a definitive answer. Its a really great movie. Thus, we know how long he was there. Leo also requested the props assistants to avoid cleaning her glasses after each day's shooting. Will never see the world again. Alex might have just been referring to Hollys husband who did go missing and who Holly and Alex were both wondering if hed ever come back. Theyll each find salvation because of it. So he definitely has a cruel streak. Company Credits Chris, what do you think or D.s explanation regarding Alex waiting in the RV and crashing into the trees: Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. Then took them back to Holly. It would also explain why the surviving victims displayed lack of speech; they were so warped by their drug-induced experiences they were no longer capable of communicatingprisoners in their own minds. Thats a really good question. He was the guy with boyish good. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. When Loki went around talking to the birches neighbours one was Alexs mom and she described how her son was also abducted one day when the van was parked outside her house. I thought it was. The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. Alex suffered so hes kind of relishing in causing someone else to hurt. Keller had been at the house. We know he was in the area, in the van. When you get to the end of a movie like Inception, theres no explanation about what happened. And was the name given by the Romans to Dover, England, according to DoverHistorian.com. Keller is free to leave but Ralph remains behind. And they are linked with this idea of necessary violence.. When I say faith in the police, keep in mind that Loki is the detective. One is thematic, the other iswellfor lack of a better word, pretentious. What did you think about the performances? Even without dogs, in all the time spent around the aunts house no one noticed there were tracks behind an old supposedly non-functioning car? Its less than a week? Hey again! I get thinking Alex not talking is weird/problematic. You might think thats the end of it. Thats why all Alex can eventually muster, even when its his life on the line, is, Theyre in the maze.. Goals Loved your summary and analysis! Yet he still lives with Holly. Thanks. I think that Jackman (whom I like) was awful, not believable; art of this may be due to the accent, as the Aussie tried to sound like a Joe Sixpack American. Enter the letters and numbers from the image: Please note -- this site only provides general search information. So the next best thing was to imprison him? I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. Thanks, Justin! Be really hard to find. Who was he waiting for? How do you create a plot with supposed depth and cleverness and use so many ridiculous elements? This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. I think Loki didnt necessarily have the time since he was more concerned about the girls. Ralph tries to protest and is silenced by an outburst from Keller. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. Holly Deane-Jones lived in cell with 120 women A convicted drug trafficker who spent years in a Thailand jail has opened up on her time sharing a cell with 120 other women and eating food with. Alex says In the maze, and Bob simply draws it. To the point where they said the center of the entire universe was a gigantic tree named Yggdrasil. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to Australia in 2000 and pleaded guilty and sentenced to 31 years in jail in 2003. If that is what youre thinking, high-five! Kidnapping thrillers often lull us into a sense of safety in the opening sequences, showing the normal rhythms of life that will soon be shattered. Ive never read such a detailed and thorough review of a movie (well aside from LOTR-but that has a whole cult following). But isnt it also highly unlikely that Taylor managed to buy clothes which looked exactly like the items worn by the girls? Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Because 26 years again, he lured Alex to play and kidnapped him. We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? After the shocking events of The Stolen Heir, Prince Oak is in deeper trouble than ever before. He was parked outside of his old house in the camper when the girls came by and got in the camper with him. There was a for sale sign on it so Loki looked it up in case the owners knew anything and found a newspaper clipping that a little boy that used to live there had been kidnapped. The pretentious stuff gets at the construction of the story. Excellent insight, Jasmine! So while Grace may seem like a simple name, its not. And others will have a more cynical outlook that hes become who hes become and is kind of terrifying. Keller would definitely not have charges pressed. Yet, psychologically, neither can. So was he waiting outside of his old house for someone else to play with who never came? Then, they became serial child murderers intent to "wage a war with God" by turning the parents of their victims into grief-stricken demons. Which is why Keller knows to go back there, because its the only place hes been that Joy could have possibly been. Alias I felt he was trapped moreso in the house by the news vans crowding round. Ten-year-old Holly Jones disappears after walking her friend home in her Toronto neighbourhood. Keep in mind, the final scene was foreshadowed earlier in Prisoners. he was there he visited Hollys home before he realized she was the kidnapper he said he was there to apologize for scaring off Alex and he came in and they talked but he left when he saw the paper saying that Bob killer himself. And Im pretty sure Holly Joness original kid was named Alex? Anna's father Keller is however convinced that Alex is the culprit, and soon takes him hostage, torturing him for information. Its really just Loki and Keller who keep their faith. Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. In Pennsylvania, Keller Dover, his wife Grace, son Ralph, and daughter Anna celebrate Thanksgiving with their friends Franklin and Nancy Birch, and their dau. Really appreciate the comment. A small foreshadowing detail I noticed is when Alex signs his name to be released from the police, its revealed that his middle name is Winterman which is a reference to a book by the same name by Alex Walters about a serial killer that targets children. With the motifs in mind, we can finally get to what I think is the most interesting thing about Prisoners. It asks you what you believe in. Its full of images relating to Christian iconography and references. (601) 932-2880. Who was the guy in the priests basement? I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. But it does seem like its probably one of those oversights they hope we dont focus on too much haha. Hey! Remember that Keller had just shown up there too. Hes essentially frozen by cognitive dissonance. My guess is he's been blowing the whistle for days without anybody being able to hear him during the excavation. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. Child abuseDruggingKidnappingMurderTorture hi Chris, enjoyed reading the above just one question: the FBI agents book about Finding the Invisible Man was that about another abductor who was obsessed with mazes and not the crimes committed by Holly and her husband? Holly secretly pulls out a pistol and begins shooting at Loki, who panics and manages to move our the way. Toronto (AP)-On Friday, June 20th Toronto Police arrested Michael Briere, a 35 year old software developer, for the horrific murder of 10 year old Holly Jones. They are from USC, UCLA, Columbia, Yale, and Chapman University. A theme in the Star Wars universe is that good is associated with light and bad is associated with darkness. She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also playedSally in Oblivion. Holly Road 704-461-6200 704-461-6236 . Thank you very much for writing this I came here trying to find something about the prominence of trees in the movie, because I noticed them but could not really figure it out. Check out the rest of our movie guide for Prisoners. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. Tormenting those families we have Holly Jones. That would explain why Alex/Barry and especially Bob Taylor were unable to put together their memories and what it meantmaybe making them feel responsible and guilty. Alex is perfectly able to taunt with a cryptic, They didnt start crying till I left. He can drive, he can play with the girls, learn and sing their song, has the wherewithal to take them back to be tortured and killed, but is too traumatized by his past to say anything else? Holly offers Keller tea, which would probably be drugged (we later see she kept a jar of drugged liquid in the fridge). The address where Alex parked the RV was his old house. The film has an ensemble cast including Hugh Jackman, Jake Gyllenhaal, Viola Davis, Maria Bello, Terrence Howard, Melissa Leo, and Paul Dano. Holly Jones Thank you my good people and a wonderful site for films discussion. The priest is a registered sex offender, but how should he stop a child killer? Alex, terrified, drives away from the home. and feels all is well in my life. Its likely that since the girls probably went from the van to the hole that the scent wasnt lingering in a way the dogs would notice. But, like the title, things arent always so simple. The two kidnapped girls. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. But the more you dig into Prisoners it eventually becomes clear as day that the entire movie is this layered exploration of various types of prisons: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Really happy to hear that! Yeah, I like the mixture of Christian and Norse. The pair began kidnapping children to turn the parents into 'demons' as they called it, forcing them to lose their mind and faith like they did. Holly preceded to do crazy Holly things. He responds by shooting her in the head, killing the kidnapper for good. It's time to celebrate #MyFlickrYear22! Prisoners is a 2013 American thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. Hi Chris and everyone who has commented. Alex is in a similar situation. That becomes enough for them to not question it. Or will Keller die in the hole Holly Jones had left him in? But his instinct, thoroughness, and curiosity get the better of him. It put tape on my mouth. But in the moments before she speaks, we see Joys memory of escaping, the flashes of being in the house, on the ground, someone leaving the room, the book of mazes they had to complete, running away. So, Loki had been investigating the house that the RV was parked in front of and he found out it was once the home of a couple whose son, Barry Coyler, went missing. Kidnapping children. Then you will see that what Im saying is absolutely true. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. Keller Dover wiederum fhrt zu Holly Jones, da er den Verdacht hat, dass Joy dort seine Stimme gehrt haben knnte. Theyre always there, at least in the background. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. When you realize one of the names has a deeper meaning, it leads to the question: Do the rest of the names have meaning? This brings us back to Grace and Loki and Dover and Birch, etc. They recognised them because Bob Taylor breaks into each of the girls houses and steals them. I also have a question. Compare that to Bob. In other mythologies, it varies. And Loki in his own inclinations and deductions. Within hours of her disappearance, police launch a massive search and issue an "Amber Alert," a. Joel Cox, the editor, felt very strongly about it. Imitates kidnapping children. As mentioned before, we have a character named Grace. It made me wonder if he also was carrying around some past trauma. Physical imprisonment: Holly keeping the two girls (then Keller) captive. This is the best analysis I have read. He would not have known where to find the stuff. How could Keller have been there too? It makes the case about the impact of trauma and that Alex just cant put words to what hes experienced. Wouldnt keller have been caught red-handed? Hey Mary! In the characters of Taylor & Alex, I agree with your accurate explanations that they are unable to speak & frozen by cognitive dissonance & being unable to speak of something as cosmicaly horrific as being abducted & what follows. To put it another way, not only are they unable to speak, but they speak in a completely different language. I didnt think Maria Bello was good either. They accept what their instincts tell them and both end up playing the hero. So the star on Det. The disappearance of Holly Jones Holly left home at 6:00 PM while it was still daylight, but as the darkness grew, her parents, Maria Jones and George Stonehouse, became concerned. What is the game detail? So he moves the fridge and finds the body. That kind of goes with the idea of an intricate maze, a labyrinth, where you get lost and wonder, and keep returning to the same spot, looping around and around, as you try and find an escape. It made writing the piece very cathartic. . The book was originally a work of fiction (I think there is something said about the book not making sense or being nonsense. He isnt innocent here. It seemed to me that Holly heard Lokis car pulling up in her drive way, why would she decide to try to kill Anna with a syringe at that moment? Just some assumptions, like Kellers dad saw what happened to his co-worker and decided to become over protective of Keller. This would explain why Alex was not able to drive the van. Have we been paying attention to all the clues that point to whether Loki will or wont find Keller? Just my two cents. But his job is not straightforward as Keller, Anna's father is restless in the pursuit of his daughter and kickstarts his own investigation into her disappearance. Look Up An Inmate Benson NC Police Jail. I think they were just going to notify her that he was found. Uploaded: It just points at a larger abandonment issue Alex has. Theres clearly an attempt to get us to think about listening to the album in reverse chronological order. I was confused when Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. The captor is seen in one of the last scenes attempting to inject the child with a drug most likely heroin or morphine as Grace is seen frothing at the mouth as she is driven to the hospital by Loki. Also, the first time we see the girls outside theyre wearing gloves. Prisoners The abusers can only shake their fist at God so long as they assume that all the parents they abduct the children from will have the same re-action to their loss as they did. Alex knows where the children are, but if he wants his Aunt in jail, and therefore stopped for good, he cant tellso its complicated. Fax (601) 932-9077. Ive had that happen and few times and it sticks with you. Without your amazing, insight ful comments I would never have got any of it at all.
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